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		<title>By: Joshua Rosenstock</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57276</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Rosenstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy,

The reason we have the Establishment Clause in the Constitution is because our Founders were extremely weary of an excessive entanglement between government and religion.  The Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock were fleeing the oppressive King and Church of England and wanted to practice their religion with persecution.  That is why there is no official religion of America, no matter what right-wing religious leaders would have you believe.

Therefore, it is very American to keep church and state separate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,</p>
<p>The reason we have the Establishment Clause in the Constitution is because our Founders were extremely weary of an excessive entanglement between government and religion.  The Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock were fleeing the oppressive King and Church of England and wanted to practice their religion with persecution.  That is why there is no official religion of America, no matter what right-wing religious leaders would have you believe.</p>
<p>Therefore, it is very American to keep church and state separate.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57274</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;Itâ€™s actually more harmful to take excessive measures to remove Christianity from America than it is to simply allow the natural entanglement.&quot;

Obviously my first comment didn&#039;t penetrate Billy&#039;s understanding, so let&#039;s move on to his  latest tautology.

Who is trying &quot;to remove Christianity from America&quot;, other than Daniel Dennet and some other strident atheists, and from where in hell did Billy hallucinate the idea that the entanglement of Christianity with government is &quot;natural&quot;?

Forbidding the posting of religious texts like the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is neither an attack on anyone&#039;s faith, nor a limit on his freedomâ€” if his definition of personal freedom respects my right to be left alone from religion, especially when I interact with the State in the conduct of my life.

Need it be said that these cheerleaders for unwelcome religious intrusions in our government have no such concern for religions other than Christianity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;Itâ€™s actually more harmful to take excessive measures to remove Christianity from America than it is to simply allow the natural entanglement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously my first comment didn&#8217;t penetrate Billy&#8217;s understanding, so let&#8217;s move on to his  latest tautology.</p>
<p>Who is trying &#8220;to remove Christianity from America&#8221;, other than Daniel Dennet and some other strident atheists, and from where in hell did Billy hallucinate the idea that the entanglement of Christianity with government is &#8220;natural&#8221;?</p>
<p>Forbidding the posting of religious texts like the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is neither an attack on anyone&#8217;s faith, nor a limit on his freedomâ€” if his definition of personal freedom respects my right to be left alone from religion, especially when I interact with the State in the conduct of my life.</p>
<p>Need it be said that these cheerleaders for unwelcome religious intrusions in our government have no such concern for religions other than Christianity?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Hallowell</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57264</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I would disagree with you on that end as well.  While the state should not impose religion, our forefathers did not intend to remove God from every aspect of society (the original capital building had a chapel with pastors on staff).  Faith is an immensely personal experience, which is why it creates political segmentation.  Faith systems govern how people live -- so do political institutions.  It makes perfect sense why there is an intersection.

As I said, I am not a fan of either pastor you mentioned.  That said, making the jump to assume that they represent mainstream Christians isn&#039;t fair, nor is the notion that faith should be removed from political institutions.  It&#039;s actually more harmful to take excessive measures to remove Christianity from America than it is to simply allow the natural entanglement.  

In sum: It would be totally and utterly unnatural to remove one&#039;s faith from one&#039;s politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I would disagree with you on that end as well.  While the state should not impose religion, our forefathers did not intend to remove God from every aspect of society (the original capital building had a chapel with pastors on staff).  Faith is an immensely personal experience, which is why it creates political segmentation.  Faith systems govern how people live &#8212; so do political institutions.  It makes perfect sense why there is an intersection.</p>
<p>As I said, I am not a fan of either pastor you mentioned.  That said, making the jump to assume that they represent mainstream Christians isn&#8217;t fair, nor is the notion that faith should be removed from political institutions.  It&#8217;s actually more harmful to take excessive measures to remove Christianity from America than it is to simply allow the natural entanglement.  </p>
<p>In sum: It would be totally and utterly unnatural to remove one&#8217;s faith from one&#8217;s politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Rosenstock</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57261</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Rosenstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are both disgusting.  They both preach hatred towards people that are different from them and should be repudiated equally by both sides.  

Instead we place them in order as if one type of hatred is better than another.  The excessive entanglement between government and religion has done significant harm to this nation and needs to be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are both disgusting.  They both preach hatred towards people that are different from them and should be repudiated equally by both sides.  </p>
<p>Instead we place them in order as if one type of hatred is better than another.  The excessive entanglement between government and religion has done significant harm to this nation and needs to be stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Hallowell</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57241</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Joshua.  I don&#039;t.  I do think that they are not tolerant of certain ideologies...obviously.  And I&#039;m not a fan of either of them.  They might be a lot of things, but comparing them to Wright -- in terms of racist commentary -- simply isn&#039;t fair.  If you want to speak about homosexuality or other issues that they have made controvercial statements on, be my guest.  

And Vince, I never called Obama a terrorist.  What I did do was point to solid evidence that morally bankrupt individuals support his candidacy.  This is undeniable.  And I never claimed that readers should hate him.  I simply warned and asked voters to question his policies and character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Joshua.  I don&#8217;t.  I do think that they are not tolerant of certain ideologies&#8230;obviously.  And I&#8217;m not a fan of either of them.  They might be a lot of things, but comparing them to Wright &#8212; in terms of racist commentary &#8212; simply isn&#8217;t fair.  If you want to speak about homosexuality or other issues that they have made controvercial statements on, be my guest.  </p>
<p>And Vince, I never called Obama a terrorist.  What I did do was point to solid evidence that morally bankrupt individuals support his candidacy.  This is undeniable.  And I never claimed that readers should hate him.  I simply warned and asked voters to question his policies and character.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Rosenstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Rosenstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy,

You really don&#039;t think Hagee, Robertson, etc. aren&#039;t racist?  Don&#039;t you find their close proximity to the decision makers of the Republican Party somewhat disturbing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t think Hagee, Robertson, etc. aren&#8217;t racist?  Don&#8217;t you find their close proximity to the decision makers of the Republican Party somewhat disturbing?</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonhotlist.com/obama-praised-by-hamas-castro-and-other-crackpots/comment-page-1/#comment-57226</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&quot;Democratic candidates for the U.S. presidency are consistently supported by terrorists and renegades,Democratic candidates for the U.S. presidency are consistently supported by terrorists and renegades...&quot;

This lead is the perfect crystallization of that clarion false note struck by right-wing apologists when they want to smear Democrats as terrorist-friendly traitors.

I don&#039;t doubt that Ann Coulter thanks the Prince of demons every night that Obama has &#039;Hussein&#039; in his name.

And of course neocons try their best to taint Obama with the odor of terrorism, even in such dud stinkbombs as this little homily. 

It&#039;s a simpleton&#039;s fallacy in logic to maintain that if a politician is favored by entities deemed to be evil, then by some Mephistophelian alchemy he is transmuted into an evil person  himself or at the very least tainted by this &quot;association&quot;, and should be abhorred. 

It&#039;s the FOX News approach to political commentaryâ€” where the yellow &quot;journalism&quot; that made Rupert Murdoch rich finds its natural home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@&#8221;Democratic candidates for the U.S. presidency are consistently supported by terrorists and renegades,Democratic candidates for the U.S. presidency are consistently supported by terrorists and renegades&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This lead is the perfect crystallization of that clarion false note struck by right-wing apologists when they want to smear Democrats as terrorist-friendly traitors.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Ann Coulter thanks the Prince of demons every night that Obama has &#8216;Hussein&#8217; in his name.</p>
<p>And of course neocons try their best to taint Obama with the odor of terrorism, even in such dud stinkbombs as this little homily. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simpleton&#8217;s fallacy in logic to maintain that if a politician is favored by entities deemed to be evil, then by some Mephistophelian alchemy he is transmuted into an evil person  himself or at the very least tainted by this &#8220;association&#8221;, and should be abhorred. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the FOX News approach to political commentaryâ€” where the yellow &#8220;journalism&#8221; that made Rupert Murdoch rich finds its natural home.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Hallowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, but I disagree.  Wright, Farrakhan -- probably even Castro don&#039;t have much to do with Iraq.  And Iran -- a nation&#039;s government we know wants nothing more than to see Americans dead has not officially endorsed Obama.  In fact, the Iranian president said that he is not endorsing Obama in any way, shape or form.  I don&#039;t think our enemies are stupid by any means, but I do think that they want to be left to their own devices, which is why they always seem to favor the Democrat.

In terms of the other wing-nuts like Farrakhan and Wright -- they hold horrifically racist viewpoints and they connection to Obama is nothing short of scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, but I disagree.  Wright, Farrakhan &#8212; probably even Castro don&#8217;t have much to do with Iraq.  And Iran &#8212; a nation&#8217;s government we know wants nothing more than to see Americans dead has not officially endorsed Obama.  In fact, the Iranian president said that he is not endorsing Obama in any way, shape or form.  I don&#8217;t think our enemies are stupid by any means, but I do think that they want to be left to their own devices, which is why they always seem to favor the Democrat.</p>
<p>In terms of the other wing-nuts like Farrakhan and Wright &#8212; they hold horrifically racist viewpoints and they connection to Obama is nothing short of scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Rosenstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Rosenstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is this: if Bush and his advisors don&#039;t care what these nuts think about anything (if they did, we would never have invaded Iraq), why should we?

I also think there is a chance these nuts aren&#039;t as dumb as we think.  They know that by supporting Obama, they are rallying people to support McCain, who has said he will keep us in Iraq for the forseeable future.  The presence of our soliders in the Middle East is the greatest recruiting tool Al Qaeda has ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is this: if Bush and his advisors don&#8217;t care what these nuts think about anything (if they did, we would never have invaded Iraq), why should we?</p>
<p>I also think there is a chance these nuts aren&#8217;t as dumb as we think.  They know that by supporting Obama, they are rallying people to support McCain, who has said he will keep us in Iraq for the forseeable future.  The presence of our soliders in the Middle East is the greatest recruiting tool Al Qaeda has ever had.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Hallowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are massive differences between Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, Hagee, etc. and Wright -- massive.  The former mentions do not serve as spiritual advisers to John McCain.  They did not inspire his books and have not worked on his campaigns.  Dobson doesn&#039;t even like McCain.  

Furthermore, Wright&#039;s focus is on race, not religion, so the mention of these pastors is irrelevant.  

This argument is more than valid.  You&#039;re missing the point.  Something is making these hate mongers vote &quot;yes&quot; to Obama.  Doesn&#039;t that concern you in the least - that there are qualities in him that appeal to these nuts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are massive differences between Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, Hagee, etc. and Wright &#8212; massive.  The former mentions do not serve as spiritual advisers to John McCain.  They did not inspire his books and have not worked on his campaigns.  Dobson doesn&#8217;t even like McCain.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, Wright&#8217;s focus is on race, not religion, so the mention of these pastors is irrelevant.  </p>
<p>This argument is more than valid.  You&#8217;re missing the point.  Something is making these hate mongers vote &#8220;yes&#8221; to Obama.  Doesn&#8217;t that concern you in the least &#8211; that there are qualities in him that appeal to these nuts?</p>
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